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Faisons le dire mensonger

Goudimel, Claude

DC0902

Text

Phrase Number Measures Rhyme Phrase
1 1–10 a Faisons le dire mensonger,
2 10–16 a Que tout soubz le ciel doibt changer,
3 16–20 b Montrant par l’effect qu’on voirra,
4 20–26 b Que point nostre amour changera.

Music

Observations

Phrase Measures Analyst Show details
1 1–4 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6332
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
ID
Voice Role (Dux 1)
Superius
Voice Role (Comes 1)
Contratenor
Voice Role (Dux 2)
Tenor
Voice Role (Comes 2)
Bassus
Voice Role (@4)
Contratenor
Voice Role (Below)
Contratenor
Other Counterpoint
Stretto Fuga
1 1–4 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6327
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
ID
Voice Role (Dux 1)
Superius
Voice Role (Comes 1)
Contratenor
Voice Role (Dux 2)
Tenor
Voice Role (Comes 2)
Bassus
Voice Role (@4)
Contratenor
Voice Role (Below)
Contratenor

Comments

Tenor @ 5th below; Bassus @ 4th below

1 4–5 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6333
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
1 4–4 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6324
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
1 4–5 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6334
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No

Comments

In m. 5, musica ficta dictates G# in Superius, but PEn entrance in Tenor is G-natural.

1 5–5 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6328
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
1 5–9 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6335
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
PEn Tonal
Voice Role (Dux 1)
Tenor
Voice Role (Comes 1)
Superius
Voice Role (Dux 2)
Contratenor
Voice Role (Comes 2)
Bassus

Comments

Bassus entry occurs significantly later than previous entry in tenor.

1 5–5 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6325
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No

Comments

Ficta in superius creates problem (augmented octave) with tenor.

1 5–7 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6329
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
FI
Voice Role (Dux 1)
Tenor
Voice Role (Comes 1)
Superius
Voice Role (Dux 2)
Contratenor
Other Counterpoint
Stretto Fuga

Comments

Text repeat

1 8–10 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6336
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
1 8–9 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6330
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Fauxbourdon
1 9–10 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6337
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
1 9–10 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6331
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
1 9–10 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6326
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Text Treatment
Text Representation

Comments

The pile-up of alterations to this cadence related to "mensonger." Could be CadInCad, though only coincides with end of superius line (not bassus).

2 5–5 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6346
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Text Treatment
Text Overlap
2 10–16 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6338
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Simple
2 10–11 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6345
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Simple
2 10–12 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6341
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Dance
2 10–11 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6339
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
2 12–13 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6342
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Fauxbourdon
Other Formulas
Romanesca
2 13–15 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6348
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
2 13–15 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6343
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Simple
2 15–16 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6344
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
2 15–16 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6340
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
2 15–16 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6347
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
3 16–18 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6349
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Simple
3 16–20 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6350
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Repeat Kind
Final Repeat
Earlier Phrase
3
Repeat, Exact or Varied?
3 16–18 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6353
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Simple
3 16–20 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6356
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Repeat Kind
Final Repeat
Earlier Phrase
3
Repeat, Exact or Varied?

Comments

Soprano rises from D to F on the repeat instead of F to F on the 1st pass. 1st and 2nd Endings.

3 16–18 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6357
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Simple
3 16–18 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6358
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
3 16–20 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6359
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
3 16–20 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6361
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Repeat Kind
Final Repeat
Earlier Phrase
3
Repeat, Exact or Varied?
3 18–19 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6354
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
HR Stagger
3 19–20 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6351
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No

Comments

2>3 in tenor, no 2>1.

3 19–20 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6360
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
3 19–20 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6355
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
4 20–26 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6364
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Repeat Kind
Final Repeat
Earlier Phrase
4
Repeat, Exact or Varied?

Comments

With "open" and "closed" endings.

4 20–27 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6370
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Repeat Kind
Final Repeat
Earlier Phrase
4
Repeat, Exact or Varied?
4 20–26 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6369
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Repeat Kind
Final Repeat
Earlier Phrase
4
Repeat, Exact or Varied?
4 22–23 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6366
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Presentation Type
FI
Voice Role (Dux 1)
Bassus
Voice Role (Comes 1)
Tenor
Voice Role (@1 or @8)
Tenor
Voice Role (Above)
Tenor
4 24–25 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6362
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
4 24–26 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6371
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
4 24–25 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6367
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
Other Formulas
Romanesca
4 25–26 Belkot, John Expand
Analysis ID
6368
Analyst
Belkot, John
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
4 25–26 Derycz, Pierre Expand
Analysis ID
6372
Analyst
Derycz, Pierre
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No
4 26–26 Greenberg, Jamie Expand
Analysis ID
6363
Analyst
Greenberg, Jamie
Book Title
Neufiesme livre contenant XXVII chansons nouvelles
Is Cadence?
No